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Thuiven

October 5th, 2008 Category: Portfolio

20 comments to “Thuiven”

  1. nir Says:
    October 6th, 2008 at 8:41 am

    Dude , i love your works, happy and glad to be a friend of yours. Keep the great work!

  2. Don Says:
    October 7th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    Strange use of background images for the headers without semantic markup to represent the text. They just have empty divs like .

  3. Don Says:
    October 7th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    [div id=”header”][/div]

    (Sorry for double post. The HTML in my first got eaten by the form.)

  4. Timothy Says:
    October 7th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Design is nice.
    But damn, the code is real bad.
    They are a big fan of using empty div’s

  5. Timothy van Sas Says:
    October 7th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Design is nice.
    But damn, the code is real bad.
    They are a big fan of using empty div’s

  6. tom Says:
    October 7th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    really annoying with all of the mac products/logos/references and “we hate IE6″ in the footer.

    and yes, i agree…the markup is not very good.

  7. Vuego Says:
    October 8th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    As a web noob, whats so bad about empty divs? and whats a better way to achieve the same thing?

  8. Craig H Says:
    October 9th, 2008 at 8:52 am

    they should use semantic markup with image replacement techniques e.g. h1 h2 tags and p, em etc tags. Instead of using empty divs with background image styles.

  9. Doug Says:
    October 9th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    @Vuego, empty divs use up space, and it can become more confusing to browse through the code. When I first started designing with CSS, I used empty divs. I hard a really hard time browsing through my code and trying to find beginnings and ends of them. It’s not that big of a deal for a beginner, but as for a professional company, it is.

  10. vuego Says:
    October 9th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Thanks for the tips guys. I was starting to suffer from a bit of divitus but will try get to grips with the techniques suggested.

  11. vuego Says:
    October 10th, 2008 at 5:38 am

    So is this why, when you turn off css or images or both, the site degrades to a very difficult to understand and confusing stream of text?

  12. Don Says:
    October 10th, 2008 at 11:37 am

    @vuego, that is correct. With header tags and image replacement, if the image did not load or CSS was off, you would see plain text. It doesn’t look the best, but it’s readable and useful. On this site, if you had images or CSS off, the header text completely disappears and you’re left wondering what’s going on. People with poor vision that have screen readers would just get nothing, even with the images on.

  13. Dor Dan Says:
    October 10th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Took into consideration what was said here and optimized the site so it’s more SEO friendly. All H titles are now image replaced.

    Regarding empty divs in general (excapt headings): Are they valid? Yes. Do they save file size? Yes. Does it work? Yes. Do I care about people who disable css? No.

  14. Craig H Says:
    October 11th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    Can i make a suggestion, you have used 4 or 5 H1 tags. This is not good for seo, your page has no hierarchy! Just use one h1 tag as this will represent the most important part of the site and is usually placed at the very top of the page. Oh and because it validates dose not mean its correct. Bottom line is that there is no need for empty divs.

  15. Roy Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 3:30 am

    @Dor Dan. Makes me a bit sad when people talk about semantic and web standards in that way.
    Its one of, if not the most important part for a webdesigner to think about.
    Validating Css and Xhtml is just a part of what makes a really good website.
    And about the( I care about people who disable Css) well maybe you need to read the target case
    The web is for everybody, make sure you believe that then start building and designing on it

  16. Craig H Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    well said roy.

  17. Roy Says:
    October 13th, 2008 at 2:50 am

    It was suppose to be :
    About the ( I don´t care about people who disable Css)

    but most people got that right :)

  18. Jon Thomas Says:
    October 16th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    The project they’re working on called iFreelance has definitely taken some inspiration from expressionengine.com. Maybe more than some? They’re obviously a very talented group though.

  19. John Says:
    November 3rd, 2008 at 9:19 am

    Blatant ripoff of http://orderedlist.com/

  20. Shaun Says:
    November 15th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    I disagree, John. The coding is nothing alike, the layout has commonalities of header, body, etc. But besides sharing maybe a shade of brown, it would be a hard stretch to call it a “blatant ripoff.” This site has problems to be sure, but being a blatant ripoff is not one of them.

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