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dudeydudedude Says:
August 5th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Ugh. How Cliché.
Why do you keep putting up unimaginative rubbish like this? Grain Edit and Upstruct were a step in the right direction - this is going back to work being produced 2-years ago.
Maxjoe Says:
August 5th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
++1
Regina Says:
August 6th, 2008 at 10:35 am
I think this is a very nicely designed site. Simple, clean and beautiful. Very well done.
dudeydudedude Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 6:13 am
@Regina - it looks that way if you’ve just recently started getting into web design (e.g. past 2 years) for people like us, who have been doing it for about, oh… 8 years or more? This is the stuff we chuck out in 5 hours.
Pleasant designs = wallflower.
MJ Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 7:09 am
Morgan Hayes will be back shortly. —??
dudeydudedude Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Maybe he read our comments.
Jeremy Says:
August 8th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Is “simple and clean” subjective? Why so much scorn just because it’s not groundbreaking?
Mike G Says:
August 9th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
@dudeydudedude, since you believe this design is “rubbish” please provide a link to a new design of yours. I would really like to see your cutting edge style. Not being hasty once so ever, I know that the wood texture and the paint texture has been done a million times over. I just like to see what style you think the web is headed, and what you believe to be not so trendy this year.
tom-c Says:
August 11th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Ye i would love to see this guys work, if he has all these 8 years of experience he bangs on about then he must have his own cutting edge site? Mike G your site looks cool, i like the style, who carse if wood etc has been used before its nice see variations.
tom-c Says:
August 11th, 2008 at 10:09 am
but where has the site gone?
Mike G Says:
August 11th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
@tom-c,
Oh this is not my website, I’m just a curious reader.
Good question though maybe it’s being redesigned.
dudedudeydude Says:
August 12th, 2008 at 5:28 am
@Mike G - Unfortunately, I can’t disclose anything, as I work with a team, and this is just my personal opinion, not theirs, and I would be dragging in the group if I linked back to our stuff (because I didn’t exactly do everything from top to bottom).
However, since we’re on the topic of what I think looks good, these are a few of the sites that I think are great examples of what modern/cutting edge web work is: (I think that’s fair enough?)
http://www.ecodazoo.com/
bartleboglehegarty.com/
ilovetypography.com/
funkyou.ro/index.php
meiji.co.jp/sweets/choco-cafe/
rockyourlook.com/
dieselgenes.se/
beyondfayte.com/
melmac.dk/
cinq7.com/fr/
Mike G. Says:
August 12th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
@dudedudeydude,
LMAO! First off you mean to tell me you have 8+ years of experience and you have nothing to call your own? Next most of these other sites are Full on flash site, they’re not even apple to apple in comparison. They’re flash animated movies! There is nothing cutting edge about that, (no offense to the authors because they are great flash sites) but your way off base of the point. Come on man give me break!
dudedudeydude Says:
August 12th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
@Mike G -
It’s as simple as I don’t see any need to bring out my work to justify my opinion. It is, after all, an opinion. If a client told you “I don’t like what you did, I see this all the time”, does that make his opinion less valid than mine because he doesn’t have a site to show?
If say, Steve Jobs said that: are you going to argue that he doesn’t have a leg to stand on because he doesn’t design the Apple website himself?
You asked about “design” specifically, and the technology used isn’t in question here, but the approach used to give the site its own identity and style. If we compared screen shots of the sites with the one above, we would still be discussing design, not the technology used.
Besides, not all the sites I linked are Flash (if you wish to nitpick), and they too are great examples of what I think “cutting edge” design is about.
Now since you seem to be hiding behind the technology used in the sites I linked, let’s see you show us what you think is cutting edge design, and let’s see who knows what he is talking about.
JC Says:
August 13th, 2008 at 7:18 am
@dudedudeydude: Regina just likes it , okay? I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Does she, or everyone else for that matter, have to like what you like? You’re not telling me you are actually the “starndard” to conform to, are you? And Mike G. wanted to see what you got to show since you were kind of bragging your so called 8 years experience there. If you brag, always expect people to wanna see what you got. errrr.
Mike G. Says:
August 13th, 2008 at 11:10 am
@JC
Thank you, I’m glad to see someone got my point.
dudeydudedude Says:
August 13th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
@JC - Yes, I understand that Regina did like it, and no, I did not expect her to conform to what I like. She expressed why she likes the site,and I expressed why I dislike the site.
That’s the trouble here - everybody wants to hear people say “That’s nice, that’s great, wow, superb, etc.”, but when somebody says something negative, people don’t take it constructively.
Think of it this way: There is no difference between hearing “change this, it’s too blue” or “change this, it’s too common.” from a client.
In both instances, the client felt that the site wasn’t what he would consider “good”. Regina is free to feel that way, and so are each of us here.
The point I originally stated was that I felt the site was not unique enough to be given a spot. I’ve re-read everyone’s comments, and nobody really disagreed. Everybody agrees that this site is “nice” (which it is), but it’s not unique, and that was the point (opinion) I was trying to make.
So tell me… is that wrong? The comments section is here so that we can comment, whether it be good or bad. If you guys feel that the site is good - then go ahead and express why you feel that way. Nobody’s stopping you.
dudeydudedude Says:
August 13th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Just to follow up what I said:
There’s a difference between saying
“This site suxorz”
and saying
“I don’t like this site because…”
The former is just some stupid random comment. The other one has reasons. It’s up to the site designer if he/she wishes to agree/disagree with those reasons (maybe he/she may have considered them, but had different intentions).
The site designer is free to discuss his design as well. Again, nobody is stopping him. As is the case that nobody is stopping you guys from disagreeing with me. =)
tom-c Says:
August 13th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
dudeydudedude, you make some good points…..but still would love to see some of your work as you clearly stated if you can chuck out this stuff in 5 hours can you imagine what you could make in say a week, it would me a master piece. I think the way you put across your opinion was what ruffled a few feathers.
JC Says:
August 13th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
@dudeydudedude: I think it’s okay to say something negative here because like what you said, this is a comment area - where people can comment on anything whether positive or negative. But what I think people reacted about was the “chuck-out-in-5-hours-and-8-years-experience” thing. It was just too cocky, man :) But you make a good point on the things you said.. apart from the cockiness though :P
dudeydudedude Says:
August 14th, 2008 at 2:30 am
@Everyone - my apologies for being cocky. It wasn’t intended that way.
To clarify my original “do-this-in-5-hours” post:
I’m sure all of you agree that the single most time-consuming part of design is when you are coming up with it. Hours of sketching/drafting in Photoshop, looking at different websites, samples of graphic designs, illustrations, etc. All that time and research because you are trying to find that one design that goes “bam!” and you know is something that people don’t normally expect, but works, and looks good.
The “week” Tom-C mentioned is pretty much spot-on. Sometimes it takes a month to get everything right. (In fact, our creative director has been working on our site redesign for 3 months already, and he’s still not finished).
Now, the reason why we all take so long is because we want to come up with something unique. Sometimes it’s much faster than that - we sometimes get lucky, and an original idea just hits us, and off we go.
Now, that’s my problem with the site above: Just how long do you guys think it took to come up with that design? Wood pattern? Grungy graphic bar? Row-based design? Hmmmmm… I think all of you can name at least a few dozen sites just like that.
As I said, I’m not trying to sound cocky, but c’mon, seriously - if you guys have been doing this for some time, you all know that the wood-based background, semi tabletop-style design is the default output when you can’t think of anything!
“Oh crap - what a generic business… ummm… Ok, I’ll just do some “wood table” look, and tell the client that is looks like a professional’s desk, use some rich colors, and that should be enough to sell this.”
/=)
C’mon guys. Seriously.
tom-c Says:
August 14th, 2008 at 8:11 am
I think you have got the comment bang on this time dudey, I think this explains your views much better than the blunt cocky version. You make some great points and I’m sure everyone can relate to the design scenario of things taking a pretty long time when you are trying to get that perfect look for a site, and how sometimes things just fall into place perfectly first time.
I have been doing this 2 years now, so I am still learning, and the number one frustration I get when designing a site is that I get a design down that I like, I then begin developing it and a week later I will be designing a site for a client that is ten-times better than my own. I think my design development is improving so fast that the skills I have used in previous projects become dated very quickly. Dudey dude have you found this sort of thing levels its self out eventually, your porb the best person to ask if you have been doing this 8 years?
tom-c Says:
August 14th, 2008 at 8:14 am
this maybe the same with the site in question, maybe he has been asking himself the same question, “can i do better???” and thess comments have just confirmed a big YES so maybe wher goin to see somthing prety good with his new design???? watch this space lol.
dudeydudedude Says:
August 14th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
@tom-c
To answer your question: No, it doesn’t even out as you might think. What happens is that the importance of your clients brand identity becomes crucial - to cite an example: Apple and IBM are competitors in the same industry, but their “brand” does not show the same personality.
Now throw in everybody else in their industry (HP, Dell, Asus, Sony, etc.) and then what becomes important isn’t how “pretty” or how skilled your Photoshop abilities are, but how well you can translate and continue the brand’s identity throughout the site, while still keeping in mind your users (e.g. are they ordinary people, tech-savvy, etc.), and designing the site for that audience.
Now, with so many websites around, if your client does not have a known brand yet, what becomes more important than your Photoshop painting skills again, is your ability to create a memorable identity or “style” of your own (for your client). You don’t need to reinvent the wheel, you just need to do something that people remember.
Couple of sites I could mention:
ilovetypography.com -> massive serif header
grainedit.com -> single theme throughout
bmw.com -> visit the int’l website. 100% brand.
nymag.com -> works only for them.
and of course,
google.com -> white, search, centered, google. =)
duddelbug Says:
August 15th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
What happened to this site? It is no longer there.
Hilmon Says:
August 18th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Well was a very entertaining read :-)
…. I realise that gallery sites like this are great for inspiration, new, cutting edge design, thinking outside the box, pushing the envelop… etc etc etc…..
But sometimes that is not the point of a website. Personally I thought the site was (as it no longer seems to be there) a well executed version of a particular style. I was particularly impressed by the content and how they sold their wares. (websites are not just about design)
I’m currently in the process of redesigning my own site and while I’d love to go crazy, I have to keep in mind what the purpose of the site is and who I am trying to appeal to. Web design is not only about uniqueness, re-inventing wheels and pushing design boundaries. Sometimes its just about getting your message across in a way that will appeal to your target audience.
Sometimes its even important to design in such a way that the visitor will experience a certain familiarity in design, visual language and navigation.
Nothing worse than a site designed to be different for the sake of being different.
(11 years in the business… if we’re keep score)
As for the 5 hour issue… some of my favourite designs were done one in a day… time doesn’t always relate to quality.
hellokitty Says:
August 18th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Remember he’s a pro with such examples as:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/DudeyDudeDude/Untitled.gif
or
http://www.xanga.com/dudeydudedude
Brett Says:
August 25th, 2008 at 11:27 am
This guy didn’t design his website so it will appeal to fuckwits like dudeydudedude, he designed it to appeal business owners who need a low cost website alternative. No point sitting behind his keyboard like a coward, dudeydudedude need to start showing us some of his “cutting edge” work or I think he needs to shut the fuck up.
Big C Says:
August 26th, 2008 at 6:08 am
ha ha lol, love the posts to the examples of his work, im in stitches!! ha ha
Big C Says:
August 26th, 2008 at 6:10 am
What the hell is it linking to now tho! this site should prob be taken down!
dudeydudedude Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 4:23 am
@HelloKitty
Sorry to disappoint you, but those aren’t mine. :)
I only use this nick on this gallery ;)
dudeydudedude Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 4:31 am
@Big C & Brett
Please grow some brains or stfu. You morons keep calling me out, but don’t even have an opinion of your own. What do you guys think of this site? Nice? Why? Bad? Why?
Or do you simply have NO IDEA because both your IQ levels combined aren’t even within binary range?
Stay on topic, or go wank in a corner, fuckwits.
tom-c Says:
September 8th, 2008 at 5:58 am
ur just bitter coz you got burnt by brett.
Who wanks in a corner anyway? You make yourself sound like a complete cun%t! I can just picture your fat ass sat trolling sites like these because you have no life whatsoever!
p.s love the examples of your work, looks great ha ha