@dude, if you read “made to stick,” you would actually see that “originality” is not that important in advertising. In fact, the most successful and admired advertising spots follow a very specific template. Take a look at the book for some very interesting ideas into how to make an idea, well, stick.
I actually have that book. While I don’t necessarily agree with all of it, I agree that there are certain “familiarity points” in everything – but that doesn’t mean HP’s brand has to look like Sony or Apple in order to be successful, which is the point I was trying get across.
Also, since we”ve moved to the subject of recommending books, have a look at “Lovemarks”, by Saatchi. The lovemarks matrix is nothing short of fascinating.
I can not believe that no one has looked at this site in IE 6 or IE 7, thiis site doesn’t work. I hate IE as much more maybe even more than the next guy but they are still a large percentage of the market share.
This site MUST be taken off simply because it does not work on the internet. This site being rewarded is a slap in the face of good programmers and designers and thus makes best web gallery look bad. They need to fix atebits or TAKE IT DOWN from this blog.
I suggest you read this article from 24 Ways, entitled “The IE6 Equation,” basically explaining when it is appropriate to spend time/money on developing a site for this or any other browser.
Also, don’t tell someone what they MUST do with their site. Acting like you’re entitled to anything from anyone without contributing dime one makes you look like a jackass.
I believe what Pat is saying has truth, but there are people running windows machines that also own iPhones. There will be a lot of people looking at this website that might not be the market share but could be? There is a lot to this but I still stand strong against my comments.
Also to comment to Roger, good point… I sure don’t want to sound like “a jackass”… please know I am not out to hurt anyone’s feelings I was only giving my opinion on the subject. You are 100% right, I have not contributed one dime and I am NOT entitled so PLEASE except my apology Roger. I just feel very strongly on the subject.
It’s cool, Frederick. It’s very big of you to come around, especially on the internet where commenters are notorious for locking into an initial opinion regardless of where the conversation may turn later.
I think you do bring up an excellent point about how this company may be limiting their target demographic for the iPhone. Hopefully they know something that we don’t that justifies their decision, or at the very least are launching their site in “phases,” and that development for IE is something already underway.
Apple themselves, on their MobileMe, simply do not support IE6. 37signals have also publicly stated that they are no longer supporting IE6. Google tells IE6 Gmail users to upgrade (“get faster Gmail”), other devs are simply putting up giant warnings with “browser not supported” at the very least.
IE6 is a cost-hungry, highly limiting browser. Personally and professionally, I have encouraged the route of offering IE6 compatibility as an “opt-in” option: to be candid about it – that bloody dinosaur needs to die, and designers and developers shouldn’t expect joe public to be the one to make that decision – it isn’t of any importance to them. People who work in the web industry should be the one guiding joe public, as they are better informed, and are merely shooting themselves in the foot by not doing so.
The website is very pleasant to the eye. Although, i really think that “we” need some innovative ideas in website design. Myself included.
What we see is lots of Apple styled websites that try to be different by designing new “details” or just trying the same technique in a different point of view.
I agree that ” you don’t need to be styled as mac to be a mac product ”
But we cannot forget that Apple website its a “trademark” and a inspiration by its own.
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@dude, if you read “made to stick,” you would actually see that “originality” is not that important in advertising. In fact, the most successful and admired advertising spots follow a very specific template. Take a look at the book for some very interesting ideas into how to make an idea, well, stick.
@Pat
I actually have that book. While I don’t necessarily agree with all of it, I agree that there are certain “familiarity points” in everything – but that doesn’t mean HP’s brand has to look like Sony or Apple in order to be successful, which is the point I was trying get across.
Also, since we”ve moved to the subject of recommending books, have a look at “Lovemarks”, by Saatchi. The lovemarks matrix is nothing short of fascinating.
I think this site deserves to be here. It looks great
@dude, you just need to friggin’ email me all ready. I’m tired of having these conversations with a faceless comment! hello [at] patdryburgh.net
I can not believe that no one has looked at this site in IE 6 or IE 7, thiis site doesn’t work. I hate IE as much more maybe even more than the next guy but they are still a large percentage of the market share.
This site MUST be taken off simply because it does not work on the internet. This site being rewarded is a slap in the face of good programmers and designers and thus makes best web gallery look bad. They need to fix atebits or TAKE IT DOWN from this blog.
I cannot believe you would care? IE 6 are not a big part of this company’s market share, and that’s what matters.
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I suggest you read this article from 24 Ways, entitled “The IE6 Equation,” basically explaining when it is appropriate to spend time/money on developing a site for this or any other browser.
http://24ways.org/2008/the-ie6-equation
Also, don’t tell someone what they MUST do with their site. Acting like you’re entitled to anything from anyone without contributing dime one makes you look like a jackass.
I believe what Pat is saying has truth, but there are people running windows machines that also own iPhones. There will be a lot of people looking at this website that might not be the market share but could be? There is a lot to this but I still stand strong against my comments.
Also to comment to Roger, good point… I sure don’t want to sound like “a jackass”… please know I am not out to hurt anyone’s feelings I was only giving my opinion on the subject. You are 100% right, I have not contributed one dime and I am NOT entitled so PLEASE except my apology Roger. I just feel very strongly on the subject.
It’s cool, Frederick. It’s very big of you to come around, especially on the internet where commenters are notorious for locking into an initial opinion regardless of where the conversation may turn later.
I think you do bring up an excellent point about how this company may be limiting their target demographic for the iPhone. Hopefully they know something that we don’t that justifies their decision, or at the very least are launching their site in “phases,” and that development for IE is something already underway.
I’m a bit on the fence regarding the IE6 issue…
Apple themselves, on their MobileMe, simply do not support IE6. 37signals have also publicly stated that they are no longer supporting IE6. Google tells IE6 Gmail users to upgrade (“get faster Gmail”), other devs are simply putting up giant warnings with “browser not supported” at the very least.
IE6 is a cost-hungry, highly limiting browser. Personally and professionally, I have encouraged the route of offering IE6 compatibility as an “opt-in” option: to be candid about it – that bloody dinosaur needs to die, and designers and developers shouldn’t expect joe public to be the one to make that decision – it isn’t of any importance to them. People who work in the web industry should be the one guiding joe public, as they are better informed, and are merely shooting themselves in the foot by not doing so.
The website is very pleasant to the eye. Although, i really think that “we” need some innovative ideas in website design. Myself included.
What we see is lots of Apple styled websites that try to be different by designing new “details” or just trying the same technique in a different point of view.
I agree that ” you don’t need to be styled as mac to be a mac product ”
But we cannot forget that Apple website its a “trademark” and a inspiration by its own.
I’m just waiting for somebody to make a website tutorial to make a theme like that.